Ethics Wars! The Force of the Rules vs. The Dark Side, featuring Jack Marshall and John May (On Demand Seminar)

MCLE Credits: 3.0
Ethics Credits Included: 3.0

MCLE Credit: 3.0 (Ethics: 3.0)
Live-Interactive Credit: 0.0
Designation Credit: 3.0 Ethics (Designations Information)
Price: $189 (Includes a downloadable audio version.)
Viewable Through: 11/30/2022


A pre-recorded streaming video replay of the September 2021 webcast, Ethics Wars! The Force of the Rules vs. The Dark Side, featuring Jack Marshall and John May.

Course Outline

  • Learn about new and looming ethics developments from a nationally acclaimed ethicist and a legal malpractice and bar discipline specialist
  • Earn 3.0 hours of MCLE Ethics credit

In the legal galaxy not so far away, lawyers, the legal profession, law firms, and even legal ethics scholars are facing rapidly developing events and meteoric developments that threaten to turn the universe of law practice as we know it inside out, and maybe worse. Bedrock assumptions about what constitutes ethical practice are being challenged. Technology and the reactions to the pandemic have exposed deep anachronisms in what have been regarded as settled legal ethics principles. This makes 2021 a frightening time to be a lawyer, but, as compensation, it also makes for a great legal ethics CLE seminar.

Continuing their sometimes contentious debates that enlivened 2019’s “The Greatest Legal Ethics Seminar Ever Taught” and last year’s Zoomed “Your 2020 Legal Ethics Survival Kit,” legal ethicist and lawyer Pro Ethics president Jack Marshall, representing the Virginia Rules of Professional Conduct and aspirational legal ethics, crosses lightsabers with litigator, law firm partner, and malpractice specialist John May, representing the intimidating Business of Law Empire, as well as the realities of legal practice that make ethical dilemmas a lot more complicated than typical seminar hypotheticals pretend. Among the many issues this interactive and dynamic three-hour seminar explores:

  • The dangerous politicizing of legal practice
  • Unauthorized Practice of Law traps
  • The business of law and the profession of law: can they continue to co-exist?
  • The crucial battle over Rule 8.4g
  • Conflicts of interest that can sneak up on you
  • When to violate confidentiality … or not
  • How unenforced rules are placing clients at risk
  • Is fee-splitting with non-lawyers becoming “ethical”?
  • Plus, still unsettled legal ethics mysteries, and up-to-the-day developments
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Jack Marshall, ProEthics, Ltd. / Alexandria
John Tremain May, Jordan Coyne LLP / Fairfax


Jack Marshall, ProEthics, Ltd. / Alexandria

Jack Marshall is president and founder of ProEthics, a 22-year-old national ethics training firm. A Massachusetts and D.C. lawyer and professional writer and stage director, Marshall specializes in bringing the techniques of theater, comedy, and satire to the legal ethics CLE, and regularly presents jurisdiction- and practice-specific seminars to bar associations, law firms, corporations, nonprofits, and government agencies nationally and internationally.

John Tremain May, Jordan Coyne LLP / Fairfax

John May is Senior Counsel at Jordan Coyne LLP. He joined the firm in 1981 and became a partner in 1987. Throughout his tenure, he represented clients in the area of professional malpractice including attorneys, accountants, insurance agents, and title agents. He also represented attorneys in disciplinary matters before the D.C. Board of Professional Responsibility. His experience in this area includes service as a member, and subsequently as a chairman, of a hearing committee for the D.C. Board on Professional Responsibility—the adjudicatory body for the D.C. attorney disciplinary system.

Mr. May retired from Jordan Coyne and assumed Senior Counsel status on January 1, 2019. He has shared the breadth of his knowledge and experience with others through continuing legal education lectures and as an Adjunct Professor for fourteen years at the American University Washington College of Law on the topic of legal ethics. Notably, he has lectured on ethics and legal malpractice for the D.C. Bar, the Virginia Bar, Georgetown University Law Center, American University Law School, and the Ethics Resource Center, among others. Mr. May spent many years as an actor and singer in local theater groups. Although many have practiced at the Supreme Court, he is one of the few attorneys who actually has performed there.

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